This just added value to my Lightning the way I see it and may likely now ensure I drive it a few years longer than I had planned. My goal was to drive a Cybertruck as soon as my early reservation came up, but having access to the Tesla charging network is one of the two biggest things preventing my truck from being top notch. The second is the extremely poor and slow software, but that is what it is.
Ford moving to NACS/Tesla standard charging port
Ford has announced they are leaving the CCS standard and moving to the NACS - the Tesla charger port in 2024.
https://media.ford.com/content/ford...n-access-to-12-000-tesla-superchargers--.html
https://media.ford.com/content/ford...n-access-to-12-000-tesla-superchargers--.html
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good. perhaps Tesla will not end up like apple and have a standard that no one else uses.
Ford will survive:
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W. Edwards Deming: “It is not necessary to change. Survival is not mandatory.”
Bob Wilson
how? Retrofit?This just added value to my Lightning the way I see it and may likely now ensure I drive it a few years longer than I had planned. My goal was to drive a Cybertruck as soon as my early reservation came up, but having access to the Tesla charging network is one of the two biggest things preventing my truck from being top notch. The second is the extremely poor and slow software, but that is what it is.
Ford has officially become the first automaker to announce it will adopt Tesla’s formerly proprietary charge port, now known as the North American Charging Standard (NACS), a move which will allow its electric vehicles (EVs) to gain access to more than 12,000 Superchargers in Canada and the US.
Ford CEO Jim Farley made the announcement on a Twitter Spaces event with Tesla CEO Elon Musk on Thursday afternoon.
According to Farley, in early 2024 Ford will start providing Tesla adapters to existing and new Mustang Mach-E, F-150 Lightning, and E-Transit owners. The adapter will be developed by Tesla themselves, but no information was provided on how much it will cost or if it will be provided for free.
Then in early 2025 Ford will start building their second generation EVs with the NACS port, moving away from the CCS ports that are currently included with their EVs and given owners direct access to the Supercharger network without the need for an adapter.
This is the first time an automaker has agreed to adopt the NACS, after Tesla open sourced their charge port design late last year. Tesla is seen as the industry leader when it comes to EV charging networks, mostly due to the sheer number and convenient locations of their charging stations, but also their reliability compared to some others. According to recent data shared by Tesla, their Superchargers have a near perfect uptime rate of 99.95%.
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Ford CEO Jim Farley made the announcement on a Twitter Spaces event with Tesla CEO Elon Musk on Thursday afternoon.
According to Farley, in early 2024 Ford will start providing Tesla adapters to existing and new Mustang Mach-E, F-150 Lightning, and E-Transit owners. The adapter will be developed by Tesla themselves, but no information was provided on how much it will cost or if it will be provided for free.
Then in early 2025 Ford will start building their second generation EVs with the NACS port, moving away from the CCS ports that are currently included with their EVs and given owners direct access to the Supercharger network without the need for an adapter.
According to Musk, Tesla will do whatever it takes to increase EV adoption, and will even provide Ford with API access so that they can integrate acres directly in their mobile app and take advantage of other aspects of Tesla’s software advantaged like their routing information.“This is great news for our customers who will have unprecedented access to the largest network of fast-chargers in the U.S. and Canada with 12,000+ Tesla Superchargers plus 10,000+ fast-chargers already in the BlueOval Charge Network,” said Jim Farley, Ford president and CEO. “Widespread access to fast-charging is absolutely vital to our growth as an EV brand, and this breakthrough agreement comes as we are ramping up production of our popular Mustang Mach-E and F-150 Lightning, and preparing to launch a series of next-generation EVs starting in 2025.”
This is the first time an automaker has agreed to adopt the NACS, after Tesla open sourced their charge port design late last year. Tesla is seen as the industry leader when it comes to EV charging networks, mostly due to the sheer number and convenient locations of their charging stations, but also their reliability compared to some others. According to recent data shared by Tesla, their Superchargers have a near perfect uptime rate of 99.95%.
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Tesla's CCS-1 adapter consists of:
Bob Wilson
- Charge port control card change which can be done by a mobile technician.
- Passive CCS-1 to Tesla plug adapter.
Bob Wilson
From the article:how? Retrofit?
"Mustang Mach-E, F-150 Lightning and E-Transit customers will be able to access the Superchargers via an adapter and software integration along with activation and payment via FordPass or Ford Pro Intelligence"
I'm listening to the Farley/Musk spaces recording.
They're expecting to have the adapter early next year. Price should be "in the hundreds of dollars" range.
They're expecting to have the adapter early next year. Price should be "in the hundreds of dollars" range.
how? Retrofit?
Correct - an adapter. I would expect a $250 - $350 price. I'll be one of the first in line. An adapter makes it super easy. I still don't like and trust the Ford network for activation, but they claim it will be updated for plug and play charging. I truly hope they will keep the 3rd party charging in the Tesla app as that will be the sure case way of activating and charging.From the article:
"Mustang Mach-E, F-150 Lightning and E-Transit customers will be able to access the Superchargers via an adapter and software integration along with activation and payment via FordPass or Ford Pro Intelligence"
Tesla's CCS-1 adapter consists of:
I suspect a similar process would be required by existing Ford owners at the dealer. Of course those who love their current CCS-1 networks need not apply.
- Charge port control card change which can be done by a mobile technician.
- Passive CCS-1 to Tesla plug adapter.
Bob Wilson
I don't know if they would do a retrofit or not. I don't know how many MachE's are on the road, but there are only about 25K trucks if I recall. Likely not enough to make it worth it, if an adapter will work. Plus you've got to follow Ford and their EV's to find out how many owners truly show their hate toward Tesla and Elon. It's fun watching them squirm.
This is pretty exciting. Wonder how this will impact Tesla sales though. Ford pretty much just killed one of the number one reasons to get a Tesla.
Farley notes that all existing Ford EV owners will be given the adapter.
Not really. Go drive one and compare. Get into the details. Tesla will win every time. I wanted a truck, I didn't have an option, but other than a super quiet well built truck - from an EV standard I'm driving SUB STANDARD to Tesla all day long.This is pretty exciting. Wonder how this will impact Tesla sales though. Ford pretty much just killed one of the number one reasons to get a Tesla.
Tesla is kicking ass with the Y. Ford continues to react to Tesla to keep the MachE relevant.
I think this is a brilliant move by Ford. Tesla’s Supercharging network is one of its biggest advantages, so I’m happy to see other EV manufacturers taking advantage of it.
Just surprised to see Ford being the first one… I figured one of the smaller manufacturers might go first, but this is very encouraging!
Sean
Just surprised to see Ford being the first one… I figured one of the smaller manufacturers might go first, but this is very encouraging!
Sean
All the "other" EV car fans are still whining on when Tesla will have their full SC network converted to CCS-1 so they can use Tesla's SC network for their CCS-1-only cars while they hate Tesla sooooo much ...
In 5 more years everyone will be whining asking when EA is gonna convert all their stations to provide the NACS so all EV owners can use their charging network.
Brings a smile to my face.
In 5 more years everyone will be whining asking when EA is gonna convert all their stations to provide the NACS so all EV owners can use their charging network.
Brings a smile to my face.
Exactly. Smart move for Ford. Maybe not so much for Tesla.This is pretty exciting. Wonder how this will impact Tesla sales though. Ford pretty much just killed one of the number one reasons to get a Tesla.
Just referring to range anxiety being a huge deciding factor for those moving from ICE to an EV for the first time.Not really. Go drive one and compare. Get into the details. Tesla will win every time. I wanted a truck, I didn't have an option, but other than a super quiet well built truck - from an EV standard I'm driving SUB STANDARD to Tesla all day long.
Tesla is kicking ass with the Y. Ford continues to react to Tesla to keep the MachE relevant.
it’s going to suck having to share the network with huge ford EV’s, or any other for that matter. I waited what must have been a hr in line at a supercharger station when I was in Vegas
Musk did say that the goal of Tesla was to Push ev adoption. The share holders should be concerned if this is a good business decision. Tesla put a lot of money into building those networks, and is Teslas main advantage. I would never buy any other brand of ev because of range limits.
What has yet to be determined is the fee structure. There really needs to be a higher rate for non-Teslas. Or, to placate any federal subsidies' requirements, a base rate and a "discount" for Tesla vehicles. Though I'd imagine at that point ANY vehicle with NACS will be considered a "Tesla" when it comes to the charging infrastructure.Musk did say that the goal of Tesla was to Push ev adoption. The share holders should be concerned if this is a good business decision. Tesla put a lot of money into building those networks, and is Teslas main advantage. I would never buy any other brand of ev because of range limits.
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