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I completely removed the LC7i from the system wiring up to the KTP-445U directly and it fixed both the hissing and the popping issue! This is really nice actually because now the install is very tidy and completely hidden behind the rear passenger seat bolster. Whereas before I was going to have to find a place for the LC7i.

I did notice that when I wired the amp to 12V and ground connections to the penthouse the amp turned on,I even though i hadn't wired up the Remote In to VC_Left. I assume this means the amp is running all the time now, instead of turning on the car is on?

Also, I'm planning to add the stock subwoofer to this system (fed signal from the 8" woofers). Understanding that the stock amp won't work, would this amp be a reasonable choice?


It looks to accept speaker level inputs and also has a low pass filter. That said, could I then skip the LC2i?
 
I completely removed the LC7i from the system wiring up to the KTP-445U directly and it fixed both the hissing and the popping issue! This is really nice actually because now the install is very tidy and completely hidden behind the rear passenger seat bolster. Whereas before I was going to have to find a place for the LC7i.

I did notice that when I wired the amp to 12V and ground connections to the penthouse the amp turned on,I even though i hadn't wired up the Remote In to VC_Left. I assume this means the amp is running all the time now, instead of turning on the car is on?

Also, I'm planning to add the stock subwoofer to this system (fed signal from the 8" woofers). Understanding that the stock amp won't work, would this amp be a reasonable choice?


It looks to accept speaker level inputs and also has a low pass filter. That said, could I then skip the LC2i?
The alpine amp will turn on automatically when it senses input if you are using the speaker level input setting.

The amp you linked is way to much power for the oem sub. The specs of the oem sub are 2x4Ohm, 2x80W (dual voice coil) (equivalent to 160W @ 2 Ohm).

The advantage of using a LC7i or LC2i with a sub is for the AccuBASS setting. You can use this to restore the attenuated signal below ~30Hz.
 
The alpine amp will turn on automatically when it senses input if you are using the speaker level input setting.

The amp you linked is way to much power for the oem sub. The specs of the oem sub are 2x4Ohm, 2x80W (dual voice coil) (equivalent to 160W @ 2 Ohm).

The advantage of using a LC7i or LC2i with a sub is for the AccuBASS setting. You can use this to restore the attenuated signal below ~30Hz.
Thanks for the tip on the Alpine, I see that in the specs now.

Would their 200W offering be a good match?

https://bossaudio.com/product/car-audio-sound-system-auto-2-channel-amplifier-boss-audio-r1002/

I was reading this page and thinking that the sub wasn't attenuated.

https://www.travisllado.com/2019/05/tesla-model-3-stereo-part-9-summary-and.html?m=1
 
I ended up going the easy route, skipping the OEM subwoofer, and installed a Rockville SS8P in the trunk wired up directly to the 8" woofers (has a built-in low pass filter). Works great and lots of bass.

Also ended up tapping the ICE connector to get access to the front dash 4" full range speakers. I then wired up my tweeters to them which allows the balance and fade to work as expected as opposed to using the rear doors like I was. Tapping the ICE connector was super easy and wish I would have done that first.
 
Also ended up tapping the ICE connector to get access to the front dash 4" full range speakers. I then wired up my tweeters to them which allows the balance and fade to work as expected as opposed to using the rear doors like I was. Tapping the ICE connector was super easy and wish I would have done that first.
So how does it sound? Someone else here tried it, and said it was too harsh. This would make sense because the high frequencies are being sent to the dash speakers, but also being sent to the mirror tweeters too. In addition the mirror tweeters are now getting the same frequencies as the dash speakers. If the overlap is minimal then I could see it sounding good, however if there is too much overlap that wouldn't sound great.
 
So how does it sound? Someone else here tried it, and said it was too harsh. This would make sense because the high frequencies are being sent to the dash speakers, but also being sent to the mirror tweeters too. In addition the mirror tweeters are now getting the same frequencies as the dash speakers. If the overlap is minimal then I could see it sounding good, however if there is too much overlap that wouldn't sound great.
Hmm.. I missed that comment in this thread. To be honest I didn't notice any change in sound. Just that I could now use the fade as expected. I actually thought the door tweeters even wired to the rear doors sounded harsh, but once I added the sub to the mix think it all balanced out and can run lower a volume.
 
Hey folks, I've been reading up a lot on this thread (among others) and was looking for some clarification. I'd like to add a sub to my sr+, and possibly add the rear dash and other missing speakers in the future.

1) Have people had good luck with the LC2i GTO turn-on? I'd prefer to not tap into the 12V accessory power on VC_Left, unless required. Reading about these error message issues sounds scary!
2) Is it recommended to tap into both driver and passenger front woofers for the subwoofer, or is one sufficient? I imagine you'll miss out on some bass if the bass is only in one channel, although that feels like a corner case.
3) It seems like I can avoid using a relay as long as I use a proper remote switch (be it the accessory 12V power or the LC2i GTO). I read somewhere here that the VC_Left Acc. 12V on/off capabilities have changed with various SW updates. Are these true?

Here's my plan:
tap into front door woofer(s). Driver white(+), blue(-). Passenger orange(+), black/gray(-).
LC2i with GTO (so no 12V remote power). Remote out to sub amp. 12V constant from penthouse and its GND.
mono amplifier. Remote in from LC2i. 12V constant from penthouse. And then add the subwoofer!

Thanks everyone!
 
Hey folks, I've been reading up a lot on this thread (among others) and was looking for some clarification. I'd like to add a sub to my sr+, and possibly add the rear dash and other missing speakers in the future.

1) Have people had good luck with the LC2i GTO turn-on? I'd prefer to not tap into the 12V accessory power on VC_Left, unless required. Reading about these error message issues sounds scary!
2) Is it recommended to tap into both driver and passenger front woofers for the subwoofer, or is one sufficient? I imagine you'll miss out on some bass if the bass is only in one channel, although that feels like a corner case.
3) It seems like I can avoid using a relay as long as I use a proper remote switch (be it the accessory 12V power or the LC2i GTO). I read somewhere here that the VC_Left Acc. 12V on/off capabilities have changed with various SW updates. Are these true?
I only feel comfortable commenting on your questions 1 and 2. The LC7i's GTO has been working fine for me, when I mute the speakers it turns off and it seems that the amp is also turned off. (I only have Remote out of the LC7i connected to the Remote In of the KTP-445U). I have not added a subwoofer to my Model 3, but you could get away with only one channel feeding the sub. You would probably only miss out on less than 5% of the bass of a song.
 
Hey folks, I've been reading up a lot on this thread (among others) and was looking for some clarification. I'd like to add a sub to my sr+, and possibly add the rear dash and other missing speakers in the future.

2) Is it recommended to tap into both driver and passenger front woofers for the subwoofer, or is one sufficient? I imagine you'll miss out on some bass if the bass is only in one channel, although that feels like a corner case.

Here's my plan:
tap into front door woofer(s). Driver white(+), blue(-). Passenger orange(+), black/gray(-).
LC2i with GTO (so no 12V remote power). Remote out to sub amp. 12V constant from penthouse and its GND.
mono amplifier. Remote in from LC2i. 12V constant from penthouse. And then add the subwoofer!

Thanks everyone!
If you have not already bought a sub and amp then you might find this interesting.
I installed a 10" Rockford Fosgate 300W powered sub (P300-10T) that has a feature where it turns on when it detects audio. This appears to work well and the amp turns off fairly soon after the audio turns off. Power is coming from the penthouse 12V and I haven't (fingers crossed) had any error messages. The powered sub has a DC detection turn on/off feature, but it doesn't appear to work as intended.

The Rockford Fosgate sub has both a left/right high/low level inputs (no LC2i needed) and it is relatively easy to tap both L/R door sub wires near the MCU. I tapped (20-22 gauge red positap) the L/R door sub and the L/R rear door wires near the connector and ran them to the back with one multiconductor cable.
If you have plans of adding an amp for the rear deck speakers then I recommending going ahead and tap the wires for it.

Also the P300-10T sub just happens to sit nicely in the deep well in the trunk or behind the seat. I'm relatively content with it being in the well. The corners of the sub wedge in the well near the bottom and keep it firmly set in the well. It is easy to remove the sub if you need the room, just disconnect the power connector and input connector and take it out.
 
If you have not already bought a sub and amp then you might find this interesting.

Also the P300-10T sub just happens to sit nicely in the deep well in the trunk or behind the seat. I'm relatively content with it being in the well. The corners of the sub wedge in the well near the bottom and keep it firmly set in the well. It is easy to remove the sub if you need the room, just disconnect the power connector and input connector and take it out.
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Would you mind posting a picture of your sub setup?
 
Would you mind posting a picture of your sub setup?
Let me know if you need additional detail.
It looks like the sub would shift left/right in the well, but it doesn't move although a fast speed bump might jar it.

The power comes from a fused connection to the penthouse and the inputs are wires from the taps shown in the previous post. The ground is one of the bolts where the OEM sub would go. That's it really.
The other wires in the picture are from the small amp for the rear deck speakers that I haven't finished wiring up.
 
If you have not already bought a sub and amp then you might find this interesting.
I installed a 10" Rockford Fosgate 300W powered sub (P300-10T) that has a feature where it turns on when it detects audio. This appears to work well and the amp turns off fairly soon after the audio turns off. Power is coming from the penthouse 12V and I haven't (fingers crossed) had any error messages. The powered sub has a DC detection turn on/off feature, but it doesn't appear to work as intended.

The Rockford Fosgate sub has both a left/right high/low level inputs (no LC2i needed) and it is relatively easy to tap both L/R door sub wires near the MCU. I tapped (20-22 gauge red positap) the L/R door sub and the L/R rear door wires near the connector and ran them to the back with one multiconductor cable.
If you have plans of adding an amp for the rear deck speakers then I recommending going ahead and tap the wires for it.

Also the P300-10T sub just happens to sit nicely in the deep well in the trunk or behind the seat. I'm relatively content with it being in the well. The corners of the sub wedge in the well near the bottom and keep it firmly set in the well. It is easy to remove the sub if you need the room, just disconnect the power connector and input connector and take it out.
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Thanks for the response! I haven't bought anything yet. I've done more snooping and realized that adding a relay is a small yet safe procedure. I plan on getting a PAC80 relay. 80A continuous should be more than enough; I'm looking at a 8" 120W RMS sub, so <10A max average draw. It's mentioned in the general aftermarket sub thread that adding a 100W resistor to slow amplifier capacitor charging as well as a flyback (Schottky) diode (on the pins 86 and 85 of the relay) are recommended.

Since the sr+ doesn't have a subwoofer nor secondary amp, I plan on using a LC2i to increase the frequency rolloff on the front door woofers. @SebasKTM (post #149, #191) had a great OEM-looking solution that I'd like to emulate. However I've been also eyeing the P300-10T (I'm not sure how about bass I want) so I appreciate the pictures. The fit looks fantastic!

Dumb question, what gauge did you use for the accessory / remote 12V cable (from VC_left) and did you route through the driver or passenger side of the car? Or did you use audio-sensing on your sub to avoid wiring the VC_left 12v? Reading the dubious success rate for users without using a relay on the penthouse 12v scares me a bit!
 
Hi all fantastic thread and info from everyone thanks! I'm starting to plan the audio upgrade to my SR+ and had one question for people using the LC7I. Has anyone tried the AutoMode which will take the Channel 2 input and send to the Channel 3 output for the sub. I'm wondering if tapping the rear mids into channel 2 would work for the sub input?

The thinking here would be tapping the front mids into channel 1 for tweeters rear mids into channel 2 for rear deck mids and sub output. Doing this would preserve full balance control front to back. What I don't know is if the rear mids signal is more or less full frequency or if it has a LPF included. I've seen the frequency charts from @_Travis_ and on the one hand it would make sense that the 4" speakers would naturally roll off around 200 Hz though I wonder if there is an actual LPF on the signal going to the speakers.

If anyone can test it would be pretty simple to disconnect the sub/channel 3 inputs to the LC7I and do a quick A/B test to see how it the sub sounds? On the LC7I, AutoMode is enabled by default and disconnecting the channel 3 inputs would automatically send the channel 2 inputs to the channel 3 outputs.

Ultimately I can run the Front Sub taps back as well but I'm hoping for a setup that preserves the Fader in the correct way.
 
Hi all fantastic thread and info from everyone thanks! I'm starting to plan the audio upgrade to my SR+ and had one question for people using the LC7I. Has anyone tried the AutoMode which will take the Channel 2 input and send to the Channel 3 output for the sub. I'm wondering if tapping the rear mids into channel 2 would work for the sub input?

The thinking here would be tapping the front mids into channel 1 for tweeters rear mids into channel 2 for rear deck mids and sub output. Doing this would preserve full balance control front to back. What I don't know is if the rear mids signal is more or less full frequency or if it has a LPF included. I've seen the frequency charts from @_Travis_ and on the one hand it would make sense that the 4" speakers would naturally roll off around 200 Hz though I wonder if there is an actual LPF on the signal going to the speakers.

If anyone can test it would be pretty simple to disconnect the sub/channel 3 inputs to the LC7I and do a quick A/B test to see how it the sub sounds? On the LC7I, AutoMode is enabled by default and disconnecting the channel 3 inputs would automatically send the channel 2 inputs to the channel 3 outputs.

Ultimately I can run the Front Sub taps back as well but I'm hoping for a setup that preserves the Fader in the correct way.
You need to tap the front door woofers to get the signal for a subwoofer. The rear door speakers don't get sent low frequencies. The fader will still work correctly. The front door woofers get the signal with the fader set to forward or backward.
 
The roll-off improvement (Accubass) brought by the LC2/LC7 is totally worth it!

Side note: I was curious why the SR+ premium have they rear shelf opened to the trunk. Some believe its for the HVAC to move air from the cabin and "exhausting" through the vents of the trunk.

I believe it's actually for the lower frequencies of the sub to reach the cabin. I noticed how the lower frequencies seemed to disappear the faster car moved (due to increased ambient noise). Testing with the rear seat revealed a significant improvement at higher speeds; lower frequencies were back. So I opened the trunk to the rear grill with two 4" holes (which cannot be seen, unless you look for it).

I forget where I got this picture, but others were more thorough.

Perhaps not a necessity for those running big 10s and 12s, but for my modest Alpine 8" setup, it made a decent difference.
 

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I was reading this page and thinking that the sub wasn't attenuated.

https://www.travisllado.com/2019/05/tesla-model-3-stereo-part-9-summary-and.html?m=1
His model is the Premium, so we're not sure what the frequency sweep looks like for the SR+. His sweep looks like there is roll off at around 40Hz. That could be inherent in the speaker... or it could be crossed over. Who knows?! In my opinion, it is most likely the front door signal is full range and the SPEAKER naturally falls off. OR the front signal is rolled off on purpose in the premium model to give space for the sub frequencies; in which case the SR+ model would be full range, since there is no factory sub.

I have seen numerous posts saying "the door woofer signal is attenuated, and thats why I use Accubass from an LCxi". I really HOPE that forum members understand that Accubass must have specific settings to be a generic "bass booster" (threshold mini-screw full right), and that Accubass was intended not be a bass boost in the classic sense, but as a bass booster for stock systems that attenuate the bass over a certain volume. And yes, it appears that somewhere around 75% volume the system can get louder, but the door woofers stay the same. THUS, the LCxi might be something to consider.

1) Have people had good luck with the LC2i GTO turn-on? I'd prefer to not tap into the 12V accessory power on VC_Left, unless required. Reading about these error message issues sounds scary!
My past subwoofer installs (in hybrids) involved taping rear deck speakers and using the rear 12V battery. Everything stayed in the trunk... easy! BUT, you cant do that in the model 3. You need to chose a) tap at the ICE or b) tap at the front driver kick panel. Either way, you need to run cables from front to back. I chose the driver side kick panel, and as such it made absolutely no difference to me at all to just run a VC_left wire along with the speaker leads. So yes, GTO works and no you dont need to run VC_left.

BUT BUT BUT apparently, when using GTO, the LCxi will stay on ALWAYS if you have sentry mode enabled. Sentry mode is using a back ground process that involves the stereo.

So why NOT run a VC-Left lead?! GTO vs VC_left has nothing to do with the "cannot maintain vehicle power" message. That comes from the penthouse turning on and off and the inrush from sizable capacitors causing the system to think it cant meet the demands of a capacitor in-rush (because it cant! lol). Its not super fun waiting for an error message with an untested amplifier. To avoid that, use the Alpine or other amps tested in this thread or go for the resistor/relay set-up. Which, BTW, is now the relay/resistor/fly-back diode/fuse/thermal breaker/thermal relay/heat sink set-up.
 
I guess my question is if the rear deck speakers in premium have similar frequency to rear doors only because of the signal they are receiving or if instead they are capable of some better sound by using an LC7i to do signal summing. Anyone try this?
People were saying early on that the rear door mids do not have the correct frequencies for a subwoofer. I have to assume that it was tried, and thats why we know.

The 4" midranges in the door and the rear deck are the same speaker type (according to one source) , this is why the sweeps would be the same for both. There is inherent roll off in a speaker as you well know, but if you try and push a speaker through this roll off you will get distortion. The midrange trying to reproduce low Fs will flop around and not make for a good midrange sound. So Im betting its crossed-over.

This is only my guess though, and since no one answered you... you're left with my crappy conjecture :p
 
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