Tesla is raising the price of its 'full self-driving' package by $1,000

It looks like in early August

 

FSD is only $6K/US now. Stated it includes new computer.

 

Given the sale that went on earlier this year, I'll pay no more than $2k to update from EAP to FSD and I'm fine never having FSD on this car if it comes to it. Elon is out of his mind if he thinks I'm paying more than I paid for EAP to extend that functionality to stop lights and stop signs and is going to get a big dose of reality when the other car makers start coming out with their own solutions for far less in a few years.

 

A few years is a long time.
PS: They are more than a few years behind.

 

I really hate the idea of pricing the FSD package based on future Full Self Driving. Right now FSD has zero value beyond speculation that it might have value someday. The EAP features in the FSD package have lots of value however and they should be sold based on the current features and maybe a little more for future updates. But they could just price it based on current features and then charge for new features as they come out based on the value of those features. FSD is especially hard to value. I've asked people I know what would they pay for a FSD feature on their car. The responses are all over the place. First of all, we don't know how well it works when it comes out assuming it does. Then it's hard to imagine all the ways it would change our life since we've never experienced it. I call my Tesla Tivo because explaining EVs reminds me of when Tivo came out. The early adopters who had Tivo absolutely loved it. But when they told people how great it was, people couldn't get past the fact they could already record whatever they wanted on their VCR. They weren't going to pay more and that monthly fee was out of the question. FSD is going to be similar. People will say I'm not going to pay more, I like driving. I've already heard it. Then they complain about having to take off work to shuttle their kids around. Competition will also drive the price down but who knows where the competition will be. It will take time before people properly value it. Bundling FSD with EAP makes it worse for people that just want EAP and don't want to pre-order features they have no idea how well they will work with no release date.

 

I decided not to go with FSD at the time of purchase........the main reason being that the legislation that will be needed to let this fly will likely take -Y-E-A-R-S- to pass.....(especially with our VERY slow moving government system).......to pay about 6 grand now (7 grand in a month) to have the "possibility" of the car driving me around "sometime in the future" is not something I would do....would rather invest the money elsewhere.......I too am in the camp of no more than $2K over the $5K I already paid for EAP....... (besides I have FREE FSD at my beck and call right now!!!! ......that is.....my newly licensed son....who will do anything to drive around.....hmmm......I remember those days too

 

I think people should just look at what you get right now and decide if it's worth it. Don't buy it thinking something down the road is going to make it worth it. Whatever you're expecting may not happen and if it does it probably won't meet your expectations at least at first. There are people on this forum saying TACC is unusable due to phantom braking. I disagree but you can read forums/reviews about people's experience with it, watch youtube videos of it in action, and test drive it. None of that is available for any future features except a little has leaked on enhanced summon. I guarantee when that comes out some will like it and some will complain. And it's already much later than they said it would come out. The same will happen for city driving features and eventually FSD. They will be late and not up to everyone's standards. I don't think HW3 is going to result in a step function of performance like some believe either. When they roll out city driving it will only be on HW3 but that isn't going to be perfect when it comes out and I don't think many people will want to use it very much. I got FSD because I want to beta test basically. I think it's historic and fascinating. I want to watch the sausage being made. Will my car ever drive me around while I sleep? Dunno. If you want to beta test or donate money to Tesla, then get it.

 

Silly question as I have not been tracking the price of FSD lately. I have EAP on both my cars and took advantage of the $2k pricing for my Model 3. My wife doesn't drive much so we passed for her X. Based on my Tesla account is $6k correct for adding FSD to an EAP equipped vehicle? It seems awfully high....

 

Sounds correct. Originally, they quoted it as $4000 at the time of purchase and $5000 after purchase. Then with the $2k 'sale' this spring, they advised it would be increasing to $6000 (and now $7000 next month).

 

We are definitely in a period of transition, Tesla will alter the price where they need it to keep the cash rolling in. Remember what the early buyers of the Model S paid for their cars? Most of them paid way more than what the true value of the car might have been worth and they paid for EAP and FSD that they know they'll never get now. They did it knowing based on faith that it might happen some day and they were getting the company off the ground and to have enough money to launch the next model - the 3.

So we are at the next point, no one makes you buy FSD, and at times it is priced stupidly high and sometimes it is a steal. Tesla has proven they will alter the price based on what people will pay. It doesn't matter what I think is fair or anyone else, it will change again. It truly is a gamble to some degree.

 

I've got a poll up in another thread that asks what new feature/capability would make people want to upgrade to FSD...and it was mostly answered by people who already have FSD. I'd be curious for some of you who, like me, don't have FSD, to head over to that thread and chime in...

 

You should remove the "I already have FSD" option as no one actually has FSD. Some of us (including myself) PAID for FSD, but we definitely don't have it. And I wouldn't consider myself having it till I can navigate door to door (which is the option I voted for).

 

We do not condone Autopilot "defeat mechanisms" on this site. We have a lot of new Model 3 owners here who might get the wrong idea, it's bad enough the media jumps on Tesla accidents where Autopilot might possibly being involved.

It's important that we all play by the rules otherwise regulators will find a way to "take away our toys" so to speak.

 

Call me when it's actually

Full
and
Self
and
Driving

Meaning, as I voted on in the poll, full NOA with ZERO user intervention and 100% Tesla liability for accidents when the system is in operation.

Until then, I don't care what discussions are about the price. IMO just another way to scare people into buying it now and generate revenue.

I will say that it was slick taking auto lane change out of AP and putting it in FSD. That would get me to buy FSD today, if my car got totaled or I were to buy another Tesla. Very smart Elon.

 

Call me when it's actually

Full
and
Self
and
Driving

Meaning, as I voted on in the poll, full NOA with ZERO user intervention and 100% Tesla liability for accidents when the system is in operation.

Until then, I don't care what discussions are about the price. IMO just another way to scare people into buying it now and generate revenue.

I will say that it was slick taking auto lane change out of AP and putting it in FSD. That would get me to buy FSD today, if my car got totaled or I were to buy another Tesla. Very smart Elon.

I saw that as a way to avoid people requesting refunds. At this point you're now paying for NoA, and will eventually get FSD at no charge when in actuality most of us that bought it did so for actual FSD as you described it.

 

It's going to wreck their million robo-taxis plan if they overcharge for FSD. Someday they are going to decide they want more people buying FSD and they will have a deal.

 

There is no debate. The feature does not exist. at. all. People are literally paying for nothing.

 

Maybe when it was originally sold, but now it's needed for summon, auto park, auto lane change, and NoA (which, while not FSD, is pretty useful right now).

 

Yeah, the people who payed for FSD when EAP was available have so far paid for nothing. But the people who pay for FSD on a new car now are getting the features that used to be EAP. So far, then, it's just a name change. Pretty soon Tesla needs to pull the trigger and provide features that go to FSD but not to EAP. Presumably enhanced summon will be the first of those.

EDIT: As pointed out below, Enhanced Summon is also supposed to be part of EAP. So the first FSD feature will be after that.

 

Pretty soon Tesla needs to pull the trigger and provide features that go to FSD but not to EAP. Presumably enhanced summon will be the first of those.

Enhanced Summon was advertised as being part of EAP from time that HW 2.0 was announced, so it will likely remain an EAP feature. (I believe we saw some official/Tweeted confirmation to this effect a few months ago, but I don't have it handy.)

The first FSD-exclusive features may be something like expanding upon the existing stoplight/stop-sign detection to enable some kind of basic, officially-sanctioned driver assistance on surface streets (similar to plain Autosteer on highways).

 

FSD upgrade is now $3k for those with EAP (back down from $6k)

 

They previously had said they would honor the $3k after purchase for those w EAP. So think this is a clerical correction for pre-restructuring of AP owners So they don't have to refund the difference.

 

Yeah, if it's going to stay that way ($3k), I'll wait. However, because that's a slight savings over what I'd expected to spend should I decide to add it after purchase (original statement was $4k after purchase and thought that was a locked price based on purchase date), if it's only temporary, I may just go ahead and pull the trigger in order to ensure I'm at least in line for the upgraded hardware. Would be nice if they'd let us "reserve" the FSD at a particular price; not that it helped with the car reservation (what's that special thing for line waiters, again?).

 

Well well well what have we here? Elon coming to his senses. Hate to be that guy but.... I called it. Now if he'd cut that last $1k off I'd be ecstatic but this isn't a bad compromise.

 

this isn't specifically a price cut, but keeps them from having to reimburse the EAP owners the difference that was quoted at purchase for FSD to be added later, which they have been doing.

 

Just got an email stating the new $3k price will go up on the 16th... *sigh*

 

Tesla FSD, the stock market or the casino, the gamble is yours !

 

I may be the only one here, but I'm excited about this. The increase in price means they're closer to realizing FSD. I'm not saying FSD will happen by EOY, but I'd be very surprised if we didn't see some AP/EAP/FSD type features being released around the same time. It's just more than a week away and I can't wait!

 

It doesn't matter at all to me because I won't be buying FSD. That's even with the assumption that it will ever happen. And that is a HUGE assumption.

The price could go up or down. Only the people working in the part of Tesla that passes for "Strategy" know, and actually they probably don't know either. I think a class action suit against Tesla for failing to deliver is just as probable as FSD coming to fruition. I wouldn't gamble my money on either of those options, period.

 

I also think people are stuck on the FSD verbiage. The bigger question is if you'd be willing to pay $3K for the features identified in the email, understanding that more autonomous features will be released in the feature, and the chance of owning a car that can drive itself (choose your percentage of likelihood). Everyone looks at value in different ways, but for me the answer is an easy yes. Especially given the other things Tesla owners are willing to pay for.

• Choose your paint - $1K
• 19' Wheels - $1K
• 70 more miles of range - $9K

Again, not everyone is in the same financial situation. Maybe those that are balking at the $3K chose the base model. There's definitely nothing wrong with that. However for me personally, I would rather have FSD over choosing my own paint color and having larger wheels. I know that's $2K vs $3K, but work with me! I'm more of a functionality person so picking FSD features over aesthetics is an easy decision for me.

 

I don't believe FSD car is coming anytime soon. not from a tech perspective (see how the car drives to day and think … will they close the gap in the remaining four months left of the year?) nor from legislative and insurance companies (Yes I know Tesla is willing to take the risk on their own and insure those cars but that is for now just another promise that is still waiting to happen).

So it will need to be something else, other features that relates to self driving (like summon) -

some will say, the hardware is better resulting in better something .... lets assume better driving models. At some point, it will be crazy for Tesla to develop models and features to diffrent hardwares. its hard.
I think they will offer hardware update. the computer, i think i read somewhere cost ~$300. I will buy it... I just feel buy now because maybe in the future it will do something is just messing with people.

each to their own on how much patiance they have for broken promises. I think that once they truly get to FSD, I by then will buy a new car (Tesla is they are around) with the latest and greatest.

 

I don't believe FSD car is coming anytime soon. not from a tech perspective (see how the car drives to day and think … will they close the gap in the remaining four months left of the year?) nor from legislative and insurance companies (Yes I know Tesla is willing to take the risk on their own and insure those cars but that is for now just another promise that is still waiting to happen).

So it will need to be something else, other features that relates to self driving (like summon) -

some will say, the hardware is better resulting in better something .... lets assume better driving models. At some point, it will be crazy for Tesla to develop models and features to diffrent hardwares. its hard.
I think they will offer hardware update. the computer, i think i read somewhere cost ~$300. I will buy it... I just feel buy now because maybe in the future it will do something is just messing with people.

each to their own on how much patiance they have for broken promises. I think that once they truly get to FSD, I by then will buy a new car (Tesla is they are around) with the latest and greatest.

 

EAP + FSD at the time of purchase last year was $7000.

$8000 for me (March 2018), and I have nothing to show for it. Just pass me some paltry supercharger credits, Elon. To all of those displeased with the current price and even the price after the next markup, they're still better off than the 2018 Q1 and probably Q2 adopters.

 

I have enjoyed reading this thread. Before reading it, I was definitely in the buy FSD as soon as possible camp, mostly in fear of the future price increase.
It's £6500 in the UK when purchased with a new Model 3.
No idea if that includes the aforementioned price increase yet.

Has anyone created a poll asking how many current/future owners would/might (not) allow their car to be a robo taxi?

 

the price change has been postponed until the V10 software is released (+/- ElonTime™)