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Will a full set of tires and rims fit in the Model 3 with the rear seats down?
If you are really offroading, and you are, you should consider external cargo. I like the Torklift trailer hitch. You pull off the bumper cover, and the bumper and bolt on the hitch. A little notch on the lower edge of the bumper cover, and a few dozen bolts and you get a 200 pound external load capacity. Mount a tray and bungee the wheels in. keep the interior for pets and people.
 
I would invest in the dinosaur, if you intended to go there once a month that would be another thing.
So your advice is, spend your vacation time, all day driving, listening to a loudly rumbling, groaning cough of an engine, polluting the highlands with its outdated pollution controls? Sink money into a vehicle that only has half of a radio (the other half fell out), and the half that remains has a cassette permanently stuck in the tape teck? A vehicle with no airbags? With no ability to keep the "climate control" on at night without the engine running? This is what you think I should be driving around in, and that this makes for an enjoyable experience? And I should sink more money into it? What should I fix first, the diagonal-angled bumper?

No. :)
 
Happy for you! Have your parents been lurking on the M3OC site and reading your comments about battery/range? :D
I was talking about the car with my mom when she was here on vacation over my birthday. She kept encouraging me to add more packages, and I kept trying to bring her back down to financial reality. Eventually it ended with me writing up a document listing every Model 3 option, and every expected option in the future, and everything that's known about them and their pricing, and all of the pluses and minuses I have to say on each, and my general sense on each as to whether they're worth the expense. So like 2-3 pages worth ;) She went and forwarded it to my dad that night and they chatted about it, and well... ;) Their argument was, "I know you, you'll probably still be driving this same car 15 years from now and fixing anything that breaks no matter how major it is..." (which is probably true ;) ) "... so we want to make sure it's a good one".

It was totally unexpected because my father is retired now. I mean, they're relatively well off, but they also have no income coming in.
 
You know the state of your dinosaur better than I do and I get your point;)

I have to do some off-roading daily:confused:


Just imagine winter, in fact it's better when it's all white and smooth:D
Time will tell if I will regret not waiting for the air suspension. Then again what happened to my fellow ontarians could happen over in Québec anytime.
Sticking to the subject, lighting an issue or you travel in the summer?
 
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Sticking to the subject, lighting an issue or you travel in the summer?
Well, you see, there's a little bit of snow on the highland roads during the winter. And when I say " little bit", I mean "up to a couple dozen meters in places" ;)

Highland roads are only open in the summer. The biggest ones for maybe 4 months out of the year; the smallest sometimes never open at all. Do remember that some of these go right alongside glaciers, aka places where the snow never melts ;)
 
Well, you see, there's a little bit of snow on the highland roads during the winter. And when I say " little bit", I mean "up to a couple dozen meters in places" ;)
If there is a spacex package for the Model 3, why not a Boring Co package? Go right through those drifts. No wind chill.
 
For the price of fabricating and installing an air suspension + an extra set of offroad tires & wheels why don't you get something specifically for the type of overlanding you want to do? You can get a 90's or early 2000's Toyota Land Cruiser for $5k to $10k.


These things where built to have a 300,000 mile service life (meaning all that it needs for its first 300,000 miles are fluid changes, brakes, and tires). It does use dino juice however you have your Tesla for daily driving where as the Land Cruiser can be used for off the beaten path adventure. These things can sit for weeks and starts right back up with little fuss ready for adventure. Such a realiable beast of a machine that many of them unfortunately end up getting converted to make shift military vehicles in certain parts of the world after they've been used as mall crawlers... but a few still live on as unstoppable overland beasts. These are one of the few vehicles that actually go up in value with the right overlanding modifications and the right overlanding scars. Find one that was used as a mall crawler and save it before it gets sent to be a workhorse in someone's private military. (Then later convert it into a PHEV overlanding beast)
 
For the price of fabricating and installing an air suspension
Where did the idea of fabricating air suspension come from? I'm talking about waiting for factory air suspension.

why don't you get something specifically for the type of overlanding you want to do? You can get a 90's or early 2000's Toyota Land Cruiser for $5k to $10k.
1) In Iceland, you can't get a Land Cruiser in good shape for $5k. I could get $3k for even my bad-shape pickup if I wanted. The cheapest Land Cruisers for sale right now on our equivalent of Craigslist (bland.is) are nearly $7k, and have nearly 400k km on them.
2) Yeay, an ICE!
3) Yeay, no climate control without running a rumbling engine and emitting exhaust that can kill you in your sleep, while out in a place where nighttime temperatures are generally below freezing!
4) Yeay, buying fuel for my trip at - in US terms - $8 a gallon- for a vehicle that averages 13-14 mpg.
5) Yeay, spending many thousands of dollars on something I have no interest in! Plus extra annual maintenance, registration fees and inspection costs!

.... No. ;)

I don't understand what's confusing about not wanting to own or drive an ICE, on this forum of all places. I actually want to institute a policy in my new home, that an ICE will never be driven into its garage.

Also, I think I pointed out that even the gravel road to my land isn't exactly smooth sailing.

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Thankfully it's not that long, only about a kilometer like that :)

Besides.... I'd miss one of the best parts. You pull up to some campsite in the middle of the wilderness in a Land Cruiser, nobody will blink an eye. You pull up there in a Tesla, on the other hand.... ;)
 
Do remember that some of these go right alongside glaciers, aka places where the snow never melts ;)
It's my understanding that in most years, all the snow melts. The glaciers are ice remnants from snowier periods (in other words, the glaciers are not getting bigger any more). I know, splitting hairs.

A google image search for "Iceland highland roads" shows a bunch of roads from Iceland's highlands. Obviously. But almost all of them look very tame by "off-road" standards. Which is very good because the Model 3 is not an off-road vehicle. Around here we call those "all-weather roads" which means they have a firm base that can support the weight of a vehicle even when saturated.

I would be somewhat hesitant to drive through standing water deeper than about 5-6inches. It may be fine. But the consequences may be expensive. There is also the potential issue of being stranded in a very remote location. Or are highland roads fairly well travelled? Is there cell service?

Of course, anything would be better than my friends Saab. This was years ago, I think it was a 1977 model (very nice car, almost new) and we had stayed overnight at a friends cabin. When we left in the morning there was about 5" of water on the road. I told my friend not to worry. He barely entered the water when it died. It turns out the Saab air intake was plumbed right down to the bottom of the car (probably to take advantage of the pocket of high-pressure air under the car) and the engine was totalled!

You might ask Tesla what the issues are with driving through standing water. I know some ICE cars are limited by the height of the breather on the differential. You can drive through the water but then the differential oil needs to be replaced immediately because your differential will fail shortly afterwards. I wonder what kind of breather the Model 3 drive units have?

Personally, I have done a lot of driving on roads that look a lot like the Highland roads in my Mazda CX-5 and the wheels still look new. As long as you aren't tailgating other drivers at high speeds they really shouldn't take much wear. Because rocks displaced by the treads tend to travel away from the wheel. And speeds are lower. The Aero wheels have a high-quality paint finish. Just remain vigilant for road hazards and travel at appropriate speeds. Because it's not really designed for that kind of environment.

Maybe you should see if dad will buy you a Model X instead? :cool:
 
Where did the idea of fabricating air suspension come from? I'm talking about waiting for factory air suspension.

1) In Iceland, you can't get a Land Cruiser in good shape for $5k. I could get $3k for even my bad-shape pickup if I wanted. The cheapest Land Cruisers for sale right now on our equivalent of Craigslist (bland.is) are nearly $7k, and have nearly 400k km on them.
2) Yeay, an ICE!
3) Yeay, no climate control without running a rumbling engine and emitting exhaust that can kill you in your sleep, while out in a place where nighttime temperatures are generally below freezing!
4) Yeay, buying fuel for my trip at - in US terms - $8 a gallon- for a vehicle that averages 13-14 mpg.
5) Yeay, spending many thousands of dollars on something I have no interest in! Plus extra annual maintenance, registration fees and inspection costs!

.... No. ;)

I don't understand what's confusing about not wanting to own or drive an ICE, on this forum of all places. I actually want to institute a policy in my new home, that an ICE will never be driven into its garage.

Also, I think I pointed out that even the gravel road to my land isn't exactly smooth sailing.

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Thankfully it's not that long, only about a kilometer like that :)

Besides.... I'd miss one of the best parts. You pull up to some campsite in the middle of the wilderness in a Land Cruiser, nobody will blink an eye. You pull up there in a Tesla, on the other hand.... ;)
Sounds like maybe should be looking into a Model X
 
It's my understanding that in most years, all the snow melts. The glaciers are ice remnants from snowier periods (in other words, the glaciers are not getting bigger any more). I know, splitting hairs.
This is true. While there is year to year randomness, and some years we get growth, in general our glaciers are receding. And some, disturbingly fast. Snæfellsjökull - the one visible from Reykjavík on a good day - probably only has a couple decades left.

A google image search for "Iceland highland roads" shows a bunch of roads from Iceland's highlands. Obviously. But almost all of them look very tame by "off-road" standards.
It depends. I don't know what you saw when you googled, as Google's returns vary from place to place. The main north-south roads that get most of the traffic are mostly "bad" in the sense of being very washboardy and potholed, and having some fords to cross. For example, here's some random shots from one of them, Sprengisandsleið:

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It's the side roads that are killer. For example, I mentioned in another thread that I did Gæsavatnaleið the other year:

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I would not do roads like that in a Model 3. But my feelings are that with the bit more elevation provided by air suspension and larger tires, Model 3 could handle the tamer roads. So long as the washboardiness doesn't rattle it to bits ;) (it rattled my Ford's radio in half).

Which is very good because the Model 3 is not an off-road vehicle. Around here we call those "all-weather roads" which means they have a firm base that can support the weight of a vehicle even when saturated.
Thankfully, mud is not generally a problem here. :) The country is too young to have much erosion to clays or other really fine sediments. In some places we have peat bogs, but generally not in the highlands. There's very little life at all in the highlands, to the point that it's sometimes eerie. You might come across a single plant growing on its own, some little flower, and think, "How did it get here? How can pollinators find it?" Or you're in the middle of this moonscape, and then suddenly come into a patch of lush, luxurious green covering a couple hectares... and then you move on and it's the moon again. The place really has an effect on you :)

The highlands threats are rocks, water, and isolation. Lots of all three ;)

I would be somewhat hesitant to drive through standing water deeper than about 5-6inches
Gotta do that even on the major roads, let alone the minor ones that lead to specific destinations. And remember, some of the crossings (actually, the majority of them) are flowing. Crossflow - and your forward wake - means even more height. But this is on a car with what should be 7,4" clearance (very high suspension setting + larger tires); I wouldn't give a second thought to 5-6 inches of water, just tickling the underside. My worries start to creep in in the 9-12" range, and they become significant in 15+" range.

There is also the potential issue of being stranded in a very remote location.
Oh, very much. But the risk is part of what makes the highlands fun ;) Now, of course, getting rescued out there can cost over $1k... and there's "inventive" ways you can lose your vehicle. For example, the water on Flæður (several-kilometer-wide braided river) is only a couple centimeters deep on average - sometimes more, sometimes less. But it's packed with sediment, and flowing atop a deep sediment bowl, so if you just sit still out there for prolongued periods of time.... ;)

Or are highland roads fairly well travelled? Is there cell service?
Depends on the road. The major north-south ones, yes. The side roads to get to specific locations can be very little traveled, depending on the road. Cell service... surprisingly, yes, usually! We're a very connected country. When our last highlands volcano went off, there was live web streaming of it ;)

He barely entered the water when it died. It turns out the Saab air intake was plumbed right down to the bottom of the car
***facepalm***

You might ask Tesla what the issues are with driving through standing water.
Yeah, if there's not much info forthcoming by the time it would be of issue, I'll pick their brains as much as I can. The hard part will be getting an answer from someone who actually knows the right answer. There's also some of the people with lots of teardown experience and those who salvage Teslas, like Ingineerix. I imagine people like him would have a pretty good sense of how well the car would likely deal with different water levels.

Maybe you should see if dad will buy you a Model X instead?
Hehe.. not in my budget, and I don't have interest in such a big "guzzler" ;) Plus it's not any more "offroad" (except for a better natural clearance) - it's not built to take a punch. And is probably a lot more expensive to repair than a Model 3.
 
Actually... have you looked into the Jaguar iPace? Was jointly developed with Land Rover.


Seems alot more capable off the beaten path than the Model X.
Less interest in that than a Model X. Even more of a guzzler than an X, despite being significantly smaller. Made by an ICE company that keeps resorting to gimmicks and misleading ads to sell it. Inferior technology. Heck, the batteries are just pouch cells - want to hit them with a rock? Much lower production volumes = probably much more expensive to get parts. Short range. Slow charging. The "out of my budget" factor. The "just plain don't like it" factor. Etc.
 
Very cool of your parents to upgrade the battery, I think that is one of the best choices you could make especially given the current lack of supercharging in Iceland. Funny you should ask about driving through water, on my way home yesterday we had a torrential downpour from the monsoons. It actually derailed 27 train cars, so I'd say that qualifies as a bit of rain. Anyway the streets and freeway were all flooded and usually this would be stressful driving but Autopilot took out all the stress and I just kept thinking "Glad I'm not in an ICE car and don't have to worry about the engine stalling". I didn't know that the Model S had a history of loosing power in deep water. I didn't drive through anything too crazy deep but at times I did have more water on the windshield than I could see through. The car handled it with no problem but it did seem to splash more water onto the front of the car and windshield than I would of expected in other cars.
 
Very cool of your parents to upgrade the battery, I think that is one of the best choices you could make especially given the current lack of supercharging in Iceland. Funny you should ask about driving through water, on my way home yesterday we had a torrential downpour from the monsoons. It actually derailed 27 train cars, so I'd say that qualifies as a bit of rain. Anyway the streets and freeway were all flooded and usually this would be stressful driving but Autopilot took out all the stress and I just kept thinking "Glad I'm not in an ICE car and don't have to worry about the engine stalling". I didn't know that the Model S had a history of loosing power in deep water. I didn't drive through anything too crazy deep but at times I did have more water on the windshield than I could see through. The car handled it with no problem but it did seem to splash more water onto the front of the car and windshield than I would of expected in other cars.
I've never seen evidence of a Model S losing power just "driving" normally through deep water losing power (and there's a famous video of one floating as a boat):


You can tell that at one point near the end of the tunnel the wake even washes up to windshield height.

But I've seen plenty of cases of:

* Model 3s subject to rising water losing power (and if left in the water for protracted length of time (such as days waiting for the water to go back down), sometimes (usually?) having a ruined battery pack as a result)

* Model S driving into deep water quickly (aka, at least some impact or at least heavy wake activity) losing power instantly, bobbing at an angle, and very slowly - eventually - sinking.

* Then there's this case:


It seems that the problem in their case wasn't so much that they were driving in water, but that - not being able to see the road - they drifted off the side into a drainage ditch that was much deeper, which the car then entered at a diagonal. But thankfully, after the car had a chance to drain, it rebooted and was (mostly) just fine.

My take seems to be that - if entry is gentle and level, Model S (and presumably 3) should float and maintain power... until it doesn't. Hours? Possibly. Minutes? Probably. Less than a minute? Possibly. Your guess is as good as mine ;) And there's no guarantees. Using a Tesla as a boat is not in accordance with the warranty conditions ;)

Lol, could always fill the open spaces with foam and add a keel.... ;) I sense an episode of Top Gear coming on!
 
I've never seen evidence of a Model S losing power just "driving" normally through deep water losing power (and there's a famous video of one floating as a boat):


You can tell that at one point near the end of the tunnel the wake even washes up to windshield height.

But I've seen plenty of cases of:

* Model 3s subject to rising water losing power (and if left in the water for protracted length of time (such as days waiting for the water to go back down), sometimes (usually?) having a ruined battery pack as a result)

* Model S driving into deep water quickly (aka, at least some impact or at least heavy wake activity) losing power instantly, bobbing at an angle, and very slowly - eventually - sinking.

* Then there's this case:


It seems that the problem in their case wasn't so much that they were driving in water, but that - not being able to see the road - they drifted off the side into a drainage ditch that was much deeper, which the car then entered at a diagonal. But thankfully, after the car had a chance to drain, it rebooted and was (mostly) just fine.

My take seems to be that - if entry is gentle and level, Model S (and presumably 3) should float and maintain power... until it doesn't. Hours? Possibly. Minutes? Probably. Less than a minute? Possibly. Your guess is as good as mine ;) And there's no guarantees. Using a Tesla as a boat is not in accordance with the warranty conditions ;)

Lol, could always fill the open spaces with foam and add a keel.... ;) I sense an episode of Top Gear coming on!
Thanks for posting, I had no idea. Guess I need to educate myself about boat mode:eek:o_O:D....LOL.....
 
It's a legitimate thing. The car is designed to float for some (non-disclosed) length of time. The wheels even act like impellers. But it's not the sort of thing I'd recommend pushing one's luck on ;) I wouldn't exactly expect warranty coverage if you show up at a service centre and start off, "So, I was floating my Tesla across a lake, and the wheel thrusters were working fine, but the power cut out and I had to row it back, and it started filling with water....."
 
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