[Sparkland]

Again, that fee only applies if the location is busy! You would have to have the double bad luck of being on a long drive, and all of the Superchargers being super-busy along the entire route, to get hit with the extra fee for charging to more than 80%.

On the surface that assumption seems to be incorrect. We did not charge at the Tesla station during the trip home as we had significant enough charge to make it to the first Ionna station. We charged one time at the Tesla station in the city where we stayed during the visit. That is the charging session I am referring to. There was one car charging at the Tesla station with 8 chargers total available. I was the second car to initiate charging. I would hardly call that busy.

The inconsistency is that when I was charging my "fees" during the charge were $5.23 for 16.3703 kWh for 82% SOC (I snapped that photo just before the charge was completed). However, on my invoice from Tesla the quantity of the charge was 16.5350 for a total of $4.84 ($0.29/kWh) + $0.45 tax = $5.29. The first number did not include tax but was almost as high as the final bill including tax.

It states on the app that if you move your vehicle within a certain amount of time (I cannot remember the length of time) the extra fee may be removed. I believe the congestion fee was removed by Tesla once completed the charging session and moved my vehicle within the allotted time.

It seems a bit confusing for consumers. I'll let you guys hash it out. Maybe someone else on this forum will confirm things one way or the other.

 

[BillLin]

The inconsistency is that when I was charging my "fees" during the charge were $5.23 for 16.3703 kWh for 82% SOC (I snapped that photo just before the charge was completed). However, on my invoice from Tesla the quantity of the charge was 16.5350 for a total of $4.84 ($0.29/kWh) + $0.45 tax = $5.29. The first number did not include tax but was almost as high as the final bill including tax.

Looks straight forward with running estimate only pennies off. Consistent with the final bill. No >80% charging penalty.

I wouldn't worry about it. Only intentional excess charging or abuse will get charged.

Add: perhaps works like a built-in grace overcharge amount and overstay period...

 

[JasonF]

The inconsistency is that when I was charging my "fees" during the charge were $5.23 for 16.3703 kWh for 82% SOC (I snapped that photo just before the charge was completed). However, on my invoice from Tesla the quantity of the charge was 16.5350 for a total of $4.84 ($0.29/kWh) + $0.45 tax = $5.29. The first number did not include tax but was almost as high as the final bill including tax.

That still seems to be consistent with what I said, and it's caused by a different issue entirely: The in-car charging fee estimates seem to be off. The same thing happened to me on the Gulf Coast of Florida - the app advertised 40 cents per kWh, and I calculated how much the charging would be based on that, and the in-car estimate agreed. Then I got the invoice, and it was a few dollars less than that, so I guess Tesla must have adjusted the rate at the bill generation end somewhere. I'm not sure why, though I'm grateful for the discount.

And it happened twice. The second time was at a Wawa in Lakeland, very short charge, just enough for a bathroom break. It also estimated higher than I was actually charged.

Yes, I did visit during "peak rate" time. No, they're probably not doing surge pricing, because both Superchargers were somewhat busy (the first one had 4 stalls filled, the 2nd was nearly full). I'm guessing the app maybe is displaying "member pricing" for 3rd party charging, and Teslas are getting a further discounted rate?

 

[bluepcc]

Has anyone seen this charge? A supercharger that I’ve used a few times before has this new rate.

I haven’t tried it yet, but I am not sure if it’s changes the $.17 to $.50 when it reaches 80%. Or if it’s additional, there fore it’s going to be $.67 per kWh.

this isn’t my picture, as my charger is $.32 per kWh until it hits 80%. And I don’t know if this is 24/7 or just during the day. I know this SC the rates had changed over night. Not sure if they still do with this though.

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While I the understand reasons, it works against EV adoption for going where you want to go. I need to charge to near 100% at Vicksburg , MS, to make it back to Little Rock, AR. No charging whatsoever in SE AR.

 

[shareef777]

On the surface that assumption seems to be incorrect. We did not charge at the Tesla station during the trip home as we had significant enough charge to make it to the first Ionna station. We charged one time at the Tesla station in the city where we stayed during the visit. That is the charging session I am referring to. There was one car charging at the Tesla station with 8 chargers total available. I was the second car to initiate charging. I would hardly call that busy.

The inconsistency is that when I was charging my "fees" during the charge were $5.23 for 16.3703 kWh for 82% SOC (I snapped that photo just before the charge was completed). However, on my invoice from Tesla the quantity of the charge was 16.5350 for a total of $4.84 ($0.29/kWh) + $0.45 tax = $5.29. The first number did not include tax but was almost as high as the final bill including tax.

It states on the app that if you move your vehicle within a certain amount of time (I cannot remember the length of time) the extra fee may be removed. I believe the congestion fee was removed by Tesla once completed the charging session and moved my vehicle within the allotted time.

It seems a bit confusing for consumers. I'll let you guys hash it out. Maybe someone else on this forum will confirm things one way or the other.


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Are you mixing up idle fees with congestion fees? Idle fees apply at all stalls at all times. It’s to prevent vehicles that have reached their set SOC from remaining parked and taking up a stall, even if the location is empty. Also, the ideal fee is initiated within 5 minutes after the charge session is completed.

 

[Sparkland]

Are you mixing up idle fees with congestion fees? Idle fees apply at all stalls at all times. It’s to prevent vehicles that have reached their set SOC from remaining parked and taking up a stall, even if the location is empty. Also, the ideal fee is initiated within 5 minutes after the charge session is completed.

No, I was not letting my car sit unattended or not charging while plugged in. My car was at 80% and still charging until I stopped it, so it definitely was not idle fees. I know the difference. I think Tesla is messing around with this whole congestion fee nonsense. I am not giving them a pass, yet.

 

[Kingoftypos]

Between the extra $0.50/minute charge at Tesla when charging over 80% and the limit of the 80% SOC at Electrify America, we had to charge 3 times on our way home from Kansas to Denver.
Even Tesla owners who live/travel where SC’s are more spread out won’t take kindly to the increase in fees.

Did I read that correctly? Electrify America has an 80% limit? Therefore you cannot charge beyond 80%? It would seem that Tesla went a better route and assessed a $.50 fee per minute. Which I would rather have than a limit of 80% and no more charge.

Again, that fee only applies if the location is busy! You would have to have the double bad luck of being on a long drive, and all of the Superchargers being super-busy along the entire route, to get hit with the extra fee for charging to more than 80%.

I would really love to know what defines a "busy location." If the stations are more than half full, I get it. But when there are only 3 stations being used up out of 10 or more. Then I wouldn't call that a busy location. Could it be that the message is just a "blanketed message"? And the fees will only be applied if it gets busy as your SOC reaches 80%?

However if the location remains available, then we should be able to charge beyond 80% without a fee since more than half of the stations are free.

KOT

 

[garsh]

I would really love to know what defines a "busy location." If the stations are more than half full, I get it. But when there are only 3 stations being used up out of 10 or more. Then I wouldn't call that a busy location.

They leave "busy" up to their own interpretation. Tesla also has information about vehicles that are currently routing to each supercharger location, so I could see them proactively announcing the congestion fees before vehicles arrive to push usage over 50%. I hope they would want to give that announcement at the start of every car's charging session - it would be bad to start your charging session with no announcement, then congestion fees apply just as you're approaching an 80% charge.

They do state that you will be notified - both on the vehicle's display and within the app - if you are charging at a location where congestion fees apply. So I would hope that you are safe if you don't see that message at the start of your charging session.

 

[JasonF]

I would really love to know what defines a "busy location." If the stations are more than half full, I get it. But when there are only 3 stations being used up out of 10 or more. Then I wouldn't call that a busy location. Could it be that the message is just a "blanketed message"? And the fees will only be applied if it gets busy as your SOC reaches 80%?

I don't work for Tesla, so I don't know. I would hope "busy" is defined by their software the same as when you're at a Supercharger and you start feeling like it's getting really crowded, and maybe you should hurry up and move along.

 

[BillLin]

NJ Turnpike after Thanksgiving. That's a great time to feel pressured to move along. That was my first time waiting more than a few minutes. I've since learned to shift the travel to avoid the rush, plus awareness of the off-pike charging.

 

[Sparkland]

The "congestion" fee notice is, as you stated, proudly displayed on the app when you select a charging station.

 

[JasonF]

The "congestion" fee notice is, as you stated, proudly displayed on the app when you select a charging station.

Did you tap the "i" info icon? I did, that's how I learned about it.

 

[Kingoftypos]

So I charged today at a SC that has this 80% fee of $0.50 per minute.

It was 9:13 when I arrived, 10am when I left. I was the 3rd car there, “I think” (there was a guy napping there and I don’t recall if he was plugged in. As I swung by 2 hours later to check on him and that’s when I noticed he wasn’t plugged in.)

A car arrived after I did but left before I did. 1 other arrived after ne but was still there when I left. This is an 8 stall station.

Despite it being during “peak time”. And I charged to 100% from 36% and I was there for 47 minutes. (Slow charging from the start and no other car next to me. Normally I would’ve reconnected or moved, but I wanted to test this.) There was no $0.50 per minute charge on my receipt. At $0.37 per kWh and 35.9872 kWh plus 6.35% CT tax, it had worked out to $14.03. Which is what I was charged.

Now, I did however unplugged and moved when it reached 100%. I wish I had written down when it reached 80% to see how long I was there until 100%. I just know it was longer than 5 minutes, maybe 10 minutes.

On my next road trip, if I find a SC that has this fee and is busy. I’ll do this test again and come back with the results.

KOT

 

[JasonF]

Despite it being during “peak time”. And I charged to 100% from 36% and I was there for 47 minutes. (Slow charging from the start and no other car next to me. Normally I would’ve reconnected or moved, but I wanted to test this.) There was no $0.50 per minute charge on my receipt. At $0.37 per kWh and 35.9872 kWh plus 6.35% CT tax, it had worked out to $14.03. Which is what I was charged.

The congestion fee isn't based on time of day, it's how busy the supercharger is. I'm not sure if that translates to how many stalls are taken up, or if it's based on turnover. Only Tesla knows for sure.

 

[Sparkland]

So I charged today at a SC that has this 80% fee of $0.50 per minute.

It was 9:13 when I arrived, 10am when I left. I was the 3rd car there, “I think” (there was a guy napping there and I don’t recall if he was plugged in. As I swung by 2 hours later to check on him and that’s when I noticed he wasn’t plugged in.)

A car arrived after I did but left before I did. 1 other arrived after ne but was still there when I left. This is an 8 stall station.

Despite it being during “peak time”. And I charged to 100% from 36% and I was there for 47 minutes. (Slow charging from the start and no other car next to me. Normally I would’ve reconnected or moved, but I wanted to test this.) There was no $0.50 per minute charge on my receipt. At $0.37 per kWh and 35.9872 kWh plus 6.35% CT tax, it had worked out to $14.03. Which is what I was charged.

Now, I did however unplugged and moved when it reached 100%. I wish I had written down when it reached 80% to see how long I was there until 100%. I just know it was longer than 5 minutes, maybe 10 minutes.

On my next road trip, if I find a SC that has this fee and is busy. I’ll do this test again and come back with the results.

KOT

There was also a Tesla owner sleeping in his vehicle while unplugged in Kansas when I went. They should get charged $2/minute extra.