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Tire Rotation On AWD Model3

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On a recent visit to the Service Center I requested my second tire rotation at about 13,000m. My first rotation was done by Tesla Mobile. At the SC, the rep quoted $70 for rotation. After inspection he told me that my tire wear was extraordinarily even and a rotation was unnecessary. He suggested that I check back in 6000m, but that he wouldn't expect me to need one then. He stated that AWD and Performance models wear tires so evenly that, unless you are an unusually aggressive driver, you're unlikely to ever need rotation. Anyone else with similar or contradictory advice?
 
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When I first read on this forum a couple months ago the price that service centers were charging for tire rotations, I asked at my service center when I was having some minor post delivery issues addressed back in November. I was told two things:
  1. The price they were going to charge me for a tire rotation meant that if I bought myself a new jack, torque wrench, the hockey puck jack pads AND the socket, it would pay for itself after I did two rotations myself.
  2. Many Model 3s don't need a tire rotation at the recommended interval due to the even tire wear. If I brought the car into the SC for a rotation, they'd have a look and let me know if it was really necessary.
I'll check the tread depth at the appropriate time (likely when the weather has finally warmed up a bit), but will also probably do the rotation regardless, with my new tools, in the comfort of my driveway.
 
#7 ·
I found pretty even wear on my first rotation, but did the rotation anyway since I had the tools.

Even if you have even wear and decide not to do a tire rotation-- I recommend checking your lug torque.

In case it's useful for someone, took and RV tread depth log template and modified it to record the tread depth and tire rotation. Attached to this message.



I like the Titan Extra Large Lug Nut Socket, 1/2 in. Drive x 21 mm (Part number 21121). While you can get away with a standard length lug nut socket, the extra length helps you clear the fender a bit better with your torque wrench.
 

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OK, I checked my tires today with calipers that have a depth gage. 6700 miles. The front tires had tread depths 0.24 inches. The right rear was 0.19 and the left rear was 0.17 inches. That's 7.7, 6.1 and 5.4 in 32nds of an inch. I don't know what they are new. I was surprised there was so much wear on the rears. I swapped them front to rear. The next time I'll put the front tire with the least tread - probably the left - on the right rear.

The lug nuts sure were on tight, challenging my impact wrench to loosen. I used the in-car manual for the first time - found the torque setting in just seconds. Surprise: 129 ft-lbs. 80-90 is more common for cars.

There wasn't much to see underneath, of course. The suspension looks sophisticated. Some steel parts are already rusty - damn salt. A lot of sand has been deposited on top of the forward and aft fairings/belly pans, also inside the fairings covering the rear lower suspension arms. They'll be coming out in the spring for cleaning.

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If that's your garage, sweet setup ADK46. And nice Porsche too.
Thanks, quite an indulgence on my part. A view from the other direction reveals a Porsche 928. I have a spare set of wheels for it, which I wish would fit on the Tesla (won't).

Also just rotated at 6800 miles, stealth performance M3. Rear tires at 5/32, front at 7/32 tread depth.
My wife and I are both somewhat "spirited" drivers.
A remarkable correspondence. Perhaps my wife is more spirited than I know. We do live on a nicely curvy road.

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#16 ·
It's difficult to decide between a two-post and a four-post lift. I now have one of each, but I would still have trouble answering this question. They cost the same. One is better for storing an extra car, and doesn't require quite the ceiling height. You need a two post to conveniently get the wheels of the ground, but the four-post is easy to drive onto for oil changes (hah!). I once had a short two-post lift, OK under a normal ceiling. Good, not great. The posts of my "real" two-post lift go up 12'2", which I got with standard scissor trusses (lower chord 3:12 pitch) on 10-ft walls 28 feet apart. I think the asymmetrical kind is a must. I chose Bendpak lifts - but all lifts in this class are made in China, some think in the same factory. Requires only 4" concrete, but I put in 6" - brittle materials make me nervous.

I'm very happy with the garage but, of course, it's too small. They are always too small. And the doors don't up high enough for the Unimog.
 
#18 ·
$3000, e.g. Northern Tool. I installed mine myself with the help of a friend at two points. Delivery requires a forklift, but I had it delivered to a lumberyard who brought it over on one of their delivery crane trucks.
 
#20 ·
I want to rate that post number 19 informative as well, but it's more funny. That P needs to be driven. I might have seen 108 just today, you know had to pass a couple of cars on a 2 lane road. Didn't want to tarry and get caught hanging out in the wrong lane.
 
#21 ·
Yes, my 2019 model 3awd was beginning to make warbling tire wear sounds so I drove it to my closest Tesla shop in Oakville, Ontario, Canada. I only had 24000 km on the odometer. The Tesla shop told me that all four tires were worn and needed replacing to a tune of $1400. cdn including taxes.
Elon Musk stated in June 2019 that tire rotation was not needed and optional. I asked if Tesla provided warranty on these short lived tires from Michelin. Nope. I contacted Michelin and was informed that Tesla is not an authorized dealer of their products and that warranty was not available.
I then took the car to my local auto mechanic. They rotated the front with the back tires for $40. cdn and told me that I could probably get another 20000 km or more of use from those original tires.
Upon checking the current version of the owners manual, it states that the tires should be rotated every 10000 km.
Don’t believe Mr. Musk on this issue and don’t trust the Tesla shops.
 
#22 ·
Elon Musk stated in June 2019 that tire rotation was not needed and optional.
Here's the quote:


The only thing that a "tire rotation" accomplishes is to help all four tires wear evenly. Otherwise some of the tires are more likely to wear out more quickly than the others. Having them all wear out at the same time means that you can replace all four at once while also getting maximum life out of the set.
I contacted Michelin and was informed that Tesla is not an authorized dealer of their products and that warranty was not available.
Most tire manufacturers don't include tire warranties on the OEM tires, though there are some exceptions. So that doesn't surprise me. But also, when a tire manufacturer does supply a treadlife warranty, the warranty usually requires that tire rotations are performed regularly. So if you're going to rely on the tire treadlife warranty for your next set of tires, be sure to rotate them regularly. But I found that those warranties aren't really worth much:
For those who've never tried to take advantage of a tire mileage warranty, you may find (like I do) that it's not worth it. I took advantage of it once in pre-internet-shopping days, and even then I would have been better off just shopping for a local sale.

Say your tire offers a 40k mile warranty. You find that you need to replace your tires at 30k miles. Since the tires were 25% short of the warranted mileage, the tire manufacturer will give you a 25% discount on a set of new tires (you don't get free replacement tires, sorry). The new tires have to be by the same manufacturer. And the 25% discount can only be applied to full retail price - you don't get that discount on top of other sale prices. Given how easy it is to find tires on sale for "buy 3 get 1 free", as well as other, larger discounts if you shop around more, it makes these treadlife warranty discounts pretty much useless.

Why Tread-Life Warranties are Next to Useless